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Debate Spam [Oct. 6th, 2004|08:49 am]
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1. As a 'debate qua debate' I think it's a draw. Cheney was helped by occasionally appearing human, dare I say humane? Edwards' puppy-like enthusiasm can could cut either way. Cheney's strategy seemed to be to misdirect and obfuscate at every turn, to draw Edwards into countering every distortion and disingenuous barb instead of making points of his own. Points off for Edwards repeating word-for-word things Kerry said last week.

2. Apparently Cheney has met Edwards -- all the bloggers are posting the same CSPAN image of them together at a prayer breakfast. Edwards' daughter was on CNN saying that Elizabeth Edwards went right up to Cheney after the debate and said "don't you remember we were at that prayer breakfast together, and at Libby Dole's swearing-in ceremony?" Good for her.

3. Cheney didn't look at his watch, but by about the halfway point he looked really tired and started mumbling. He put his hands together and rested his chin on them, unfortunately blocking his microphone, so that his muttered monotone became even more indistinct. Maybe he needs to get a new battery in his pacemaker, or have a cup of coffee before events like this?

4. Just so you don't think I'm just a Bush/Cheney basher, here's a really unfortunate picture of Edwards, from his own website:

Bottom line: stick to the suits, John!

From: fuckingfuk
2004-10-06 07:11 am (UTC)
ABC News' Poll Shows 43 Percent Think Vice President Cheney Won Debate, Only 35 Percent Think Edwards Won. (ABC's "Special Coverage," 10/5/04 )

NBC's Tom Brokaw: "Dick Cheney Reminded Me Of George Foreman, Kind Of A Slow Gait, But A Powerful Right-Hand When He Unleashed It In A Number Of Areas As He Went After The Kerry-Edwards Ticket." (NBC's "Special Coverage," 10/5/04 )

MSNBC's Ron Reagan: "This Time, I Think The Chattering Classes, And I Include All Of Us Among Them, Will Come Out On The Side Of There Was A Stature Gap There, And It Was To Cheney's Advantage." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 10/5/04 )

MSNBC's Chris Matthews Calls The Debate Between Vice President Cheney The "Howitzer" And Senator John Edwards The "Water Pistol." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 10/05/04 )

MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell: "I Think Dick Cheney Did Awfully Well, At, First Of All, Putting John Edwards In His Place. Saying That I Have Been Presiding Over The Senate, And I Didn't Meet You Until Tonight. Talking About His Not Having Been On The Job Was Pretty Devastating." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 10/5/04 )

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough: "I Tell You, Tonight, No Doubt About It, Edwards Got Obliterated By Dick Cheney. This Is The Most Surprising Part. This Debate Actually Turned In Cheney's Direction When They Started Talking About Domestic Issues. I Thought Cheney Handled The Foreign Policy Issues Very Well." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 10/5/04 )
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[User Picture]From: bitterwhiteguy
2004-10-06 10:15 am (UTC)
That picture reminds me of the Robin Williams movie about him being a 10 year old that looked like a 40 year old.

p.s. Scarborough is a douchebag. Even he admits his show is one long op/ed piece.
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From: fuckingfuk
2004-10-06 10:19 am (UTC)
I realize this must be painful to read, but...

What They're Saying: Vice Presidential Debate, Volume Two

NBC's Tom Brokaw: Cheney "Is The Authority" And Has An "Ability To
Exude Self-Confidence Without Overstating It." (MSNBC's "Hardball,"

NBC'S Tim Russert: "I Think, Chris, Dick Cheney Could Audition For The
Lead Role In The Apprentice, If Donald Trump Ever Gets Tired. I'm
Sorry, Senator, You're Fired. You Just Don't Measure Up." (MSNBC's
"Hardball," 10/5/04)

The Weekly Standard's Fred Barnes: "[Cheney] Looked Like A Man In
Charge." (Fox News' "Special Coverage," 10/5/04)

Fox News' Jim Angle: "Brit, Well, Vice President Cheney Didn't Give An
Inch And He Didn't Mince Words Tonight." (Fox News' "Special
Coverage," 10/5/04)

MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell: "And There Did Seem To Be A Stature Gap. Dick
Cheney Is One Of The Most Efficiently Tough And Calculating Characters
That Any Of Us Have Ever Seen In Politics And What He Also Tried To
Do, And I Think Effectively Tonight, Was Warm Himself Up A Little
Bit." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 10/5/04)

The National Review's Jim Geraghty Calls Vice President Cheney's
Performance "The Single Most Devastating One-Sided Drubbing Since
Lloyd Bentsen Smacked Dan Quayle All Around The Stage In 1988." (Jim
Geraghty, "Kerry Spot," National Review Online, 10/5/04,
Http://Www.Nationalreview.Com/Kerry/Kerry200410052247.Asp, Accessed

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough: "I Don't Think, Again, It Was So Much John
Edwards' Weakness As It Was Dick Cheney's Great Gravitas." (MSNBC's
"Hardball," 10/5/04)

The Village Voice's James Ridgeway: "Time After Time, Cheney Trapped
Edwards Into Explaining Kerry's Positions, Forcing Him To Waste Time
And Transform Himself Into An Often Embarrassing P.R. Guy." (James
Ridgeway, "The Real President Stands Up," The Vilalge Voice Web Site,
10/5/04, http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0440/ridgeway2.php,
Accessed 10/5/04)

The Weekly Standard's Bill Kristol: "The Main Thing Out Of This Debate
Is That Dick Cheney Put John Kerry's Senate Record On National
Security Defense Right Back On The Table." (Fox News' "Special
Coverage," 10/5/04)

What They're Saying: Vice Presidential Debate, Volume Three

Newseek's Howard Fineman: "On Foreign Policy And Defense, [John
Edwards] Got Outclassed By Dick Cheney. The Reason Is, Agree With It
Or Not, Dick Cheney Clearly Has A Comprehensive Theory And Philosophy
That He Shares With The President About How To Fight The War."
(MSNBC's "After Hours," 10/6/04)

The Washington Post: "The Vice President Vigorously Defended The
Administration's Record In Iraq And Repeatedly Turned The Focus To
Kerry's Credibility." (Dana Milbank, "Candidates Play To The Jurors –
That Is, Voters," The Washington Post, 10/6/04)

The Boston Herald's Mike Barnicle: "I Thought That Cheney Came
Incredibly Well Prepared. Very Substantive, The Research That He Had
Done--The Opposition Research Was Clearly Top Shelf. He Has, For That
Format, An Amazingly, Amazingly Familiar Way About Him. It Was As If
He Was There With Dr. Phil Being Interviewed. For A Guy Whose
Reputation Is So Dark, So Brooding, He Was Very Comfortable, I Think,
To The American Television Audience." (MSNBC's "After Hours," 10/6/04)

New York Times Columnist David Brooks: "I Thought There Were Some
Points When Cheney Was Talking About Zarqawi Where He Seemed Like A
Man Who Had Been In Charge And Really Had A Depth Of Experience That
Maybe Edwards Couldn't Match." (PBS's "Special Coverage," 10/5/04)

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough: "I Think Dick Cheney Clearly Had The Upper
Hand Tonight." (MSNBC's "After Hours," 10/6/04)

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[User Picture]From: bitterwhiteguy
2004-10-06 10:45 am (UTC)
I think you're going after the wrong guy here. I was going to vote for Bush/Cheney up until about 2 weeks ago.

btw, that Scarborough reference was from an interview on 'The Daily Show' in which he himself admitted his show is nothing more than an op/ed piece. It's straight from the horse's ass...err, mouth.
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From: fuckingfuk
2004-10-06 10:53 am (UTC)
sorry. it was meant to be posted as a separate comment.

i agree though, scarborough is an ass.
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[User Picture]From: chaircrusher
2004-10-08 05:06 am (UTC)
Honestly, I don't give a fuck what any of those people said. People see what they want to see, including me.

Cheney's greatest skill in life is to sound confident and reasonable when he's telling lies, and nearly everything he said in this debate was a lie.
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[User Picture]From: marmoset
2004-10-06 10:53 am (UTC)
Kent, looks like you've found your very own troll. :)

Speaking of pictures I would have been happier never seeing:

Japan, April 2004
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[User Picture]From: marmoset
2004-10-07 08:15 pm (UTC)
Democratic vice presidential candidate Sen. John Edwards smiles as he greets the audience at a campaign rally in Bayonne, N.J., Thursday, Oct. 7, 2004. Edwards promised to protect the nation's seaports, rail lines and chemical plants and accepted the endorsement of the Kerry/Edwards ticket by families of September 11 victims., in his second visit to New Jersey in two weeks. (AP Photo/Mike Derer)
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