i hear ya. regardless of what he meant to say, he sure stepped in it by the WAY he said it. what a mess.
2006-11-01 09:53 pm (UTC)
But his comeback yesterday was well-done.
I wonder which political appointee staged this picture that you posted?
moreover, i wonder which idiots think its funny to be stuck in iraq.
no one, I don't think. but if I were in the army and had any sort of feeling of pride at all that I was defending my country or whatever, I'd be pretty annoyed (even if I thought being in Iraq was a fucking mistake and wanted to come home asap). and I would think it was pretty funny to convey my annoyance with something like the above picture.
i dont understand. why would you be annoyed at someone who said "you dont want to get stuck in iraq"? there's only one person to be angry at, and thats george bush (and his enablers, but the way i look at it, the buck stops in the oval office). there's absolutely no other possible train of thought that makes any sense unless they really think theyre doing the right thing. in which case, maybe they should have studied harder in school. because theres alot of learning they have yet to do.
condescension toward people in the armed forces is not only obnoxious, it's just not very tactically smart. look, Kerry basically said "get a good education or you'll end up stuck in Iraq". implication: people only go into the army because they don't have the education for another job (whether that was what he meant to say or not, that's how it came out). for people who believe that serving your country in the army is an honorable way of life, and there are a lot of them, this is deeply offensive. it doesn't even matter if they think Iraq is a fuckup; you can think Iraq is a fuckup and still believe in the honor of serving your country. I don't particularly feel this way myself, but it seems to me pretty provincial and stupid to have such an attitude toward people in the military.
let's be serious here, for a second. how many people do you think go to the military for JUST THAT REASON? a good number, especially in the poor communities where education is not stressed.
regardless, i dont see how anything he said was an indictment of any soldiers. the whole point is that what is SUPPOSED to be an honorable thing to do has been completely mocked by bush and his people: insufficient bodily protection, no sound strategy, arrogance in getting into the wrong war, staying there for political reasons to let troops get slaughtered, etc. and if they cant see that, then there's something wrong with them. brainwashing? stupidity? i have no idea. but basing your opinion on a fictional ideal in a life and death situation is not a smart thing.
i wonder how theyll all feel when theyre back in the US one day, struggling to readapt to real life, becoming drug and alcohol abusers with severe emotional problems like all the past veterans have done. ive already seen articles about these things popping up already and we're still over there!
I don't know, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who are proud to serve in the military. saying that they're there just because they didn't get a good education is presumably insulting to them, just as I would be annoyed if someone told me I only do what I do because I couldn't get into med school.
I agree that we should be pointing out how little respect Bush and co. actually seem to have for the military, how he's been screwing soldiers not only in Iraq but on medical and pension benefits, and equipment like you say. but doing it by insulting (and yes, kerry flubbed his joke, but it was a crappy joke anyway) soldiers and their pride in serving is stupid stupid stupid.
I don't know, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who are proud to serve in the military.
As someone who has a large number of family members that are either active or retired military, I can pretty safely say that the vast majority of people who served are proud of it. They also don't take people denigrating the soldiers - either intentionally or otherwise - lightly in the slightest. They may not agree with where they were sent and why, but they still feel a deep sense of honor for helping get as many of their fellow soldiers out alive as they could. Being in a foxhole and taking enemy fire breeds a camraderie that the rest of us can't begin to understand, and with it usually comes a sense of pride in one's efforts that is just as heartfelt.
Kerry's statement was stupid. The verbal flub was stupid, the joke it was supposed to be was stupid, and the ensuing Kerry-bashing by the GOP is stupid. These are so many more important things to worry about right now than what the tree shepherd from Lord of the Rings said about the soldiers. People need to pay attention to the other story of the day, namely the one where the Iraqi PM just established his jurisdiction over US troops by ordering them to take down barricades in Al-Sadr's part of town.
the problem is that regardless of whether kerry made a joke, was dead serious, or whatever, that is seriously small potatoes in terms of doing ill shit to the troops. shit, id be happy to let them all get humiliated every day for the rest of their lives if it meant no more of them dying. the only reason this is getting any play is because the white house seems to think it will matter in the upcoming elections, theyre grabbing at straws to try to save the GOP majority and by extension the bush presidency. anyone biting on that is a fool!
and anyone giving them ammunition to change the subject from their horrible record is, as Kent said, a turd in the punchbowl.
I thought the soldiers holding that poster was funny as hell. Trying to diagram out all the ironies in that one image about makes my head explode.
to me, there's only one irony: they have no idea how theyre being manipulated and abused by the government and the idea of patriotism. it's really sad to me.
so let him stay in the senate. but he's delusional if he thinks he should run for president again, and he's not a good public face of the democratic party, and someone needs to tell him so, forcefully. ideally with a couple of tough guys standing around with lead pipes.